Frogboy said people are hacking a saved game to resubmit it as a different game. To me that is cheating. If that is the case I would not want these people in the metaverse.
          
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The two people who are no longer in the metaverse are Lothmorg the Black and The Renegade.
Lothmorg was #1 and the Renegade was #7 two days ago.
I think that the next little while is going to be interesting.
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I tried to check below the Top 50 and as far as I can tell no one has gone missing.
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Hey Paguma, I just noticed that you submitted a v1.20 game instead of a v1.49 game. copy that ENDGAME to your v1.49 directory and resubmit and you will get your 60K score.
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#3410
by Citizen Kazzryl - 6/19/2004 7:05:54 AM
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And for me as well. Surprised, more than anything.
I just finished reading the thread over in the regular forum. It seems pretty clear what frogboy is suggesting happened, to me would constitute cheating. What makes me nervous is cheese, if they (SD) start discriminating that, quite a few of us would be gone ... control-n.
| I do know that Stardock should be forthright in telling us how games are unique, what measures to they look at, how are they calculated, etc. |
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If they did that, wouldn't it make it easier for the cheaters to work around? I know it doesn't seem fair, but on the other hand spelling out exactly how to keep a game unique would just give enough info for a cheater to work around.
As far as Loth and Mario, I am still in disbelief. And I can't but help wonder if it just was some kind of flaw or fluke. Perhaps something to do with upgrading the game and then submitting an older version or something. But I have to just go with what Frogboy and co says. It is their Metaverse.
   
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I feel that Frogboy and stardock were very convincing in their posts as to the cheating that was going on.
I am dissappointed that certain people felt the need to cheat.
This game is meant to be fun, the metaverse adds another realm to the game that is also fun individually and as a team. The forums arguably part of the metaverse just adds another element of enjoyment.
I think that Frogboy has strengthed the metaverse by the audit.
I for one feel it was a black day but I do not blame stardock I blame the people that were caught cheating.
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| Newfy,I don't think that we have enough information from Stardock to reach this conclusion |
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I disagree, Stardock has thoroughly satisfied me with their explainations.
From Frogboy
| According to the Metaverse auditors, there were a number of top ranked players who had figured out a way to submit multiple entries for what was essentially the same game. We don't know precisely how they did this (hex editor, decompiler, etc.) but the only things that would appear different in the game were the gameID and sometimes the first researched tech. Otherwise, it was still the same map, the same enemies, the same everything. |
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Frogboy has stated through the 2 forum threads that it was the same game, same everything except the game ID.
I am more inclined to believe Frogboy for several reasons. Some of my reasons are,
Stardock has acted professionally in the past as well as this instance. Their past record has shown that they care about the gamers and their experiences with Stardock games.
There are several people that post several games per day including Greldon, Technician, Naqmir, exalted_druid among many others. Stardock obviously feels that these people are submitting genuine games.
No one likes to be accused of cheating if they aren't but I find that the actions of the accused are suspicious. Innocent people would try to prove their innocence. It has been my experience that people that are caught run and hide.
If you do not like my reasoning thats too bad. I personally think that you are wrong to persue their innocence but once again that is my opinion and I respect your right to try.
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| that Technician is now the guy with apparently the most free time in the Metaverse! |
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 hehehe, that is good. Although to be fair Naqmir has posted about 68 games this month surpasing even I exTeam-mate.
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D&rn double post
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#3421
by Citizen Weyrleader - 6/20/2004 1:04:37 PM
| There are several people that post several games per day including Greldon, Technician, Naqmir, exalted_druid among many others. Stardock obviously feels that these people are submitting genuine games. |
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Actually, Frogboy said they were all examined, implying that he did not believe that anyone could be submitting leagle multiple games per day. He went on to say that those people who do will continue to be watched. I interpret that to mean that Frogboy doesn't understand what is going on. Also, as stated by Frogboy, not all the games were the same. The first Tech was not always the same. There may in fact be other things that he did not mention that were not the same. We don't know everything that they have done or examined. We don't know what data is submitted with each game. We don't know a lot of things. Hence, I can only surmise that if they don't want us to know, there may be some things that would point the finger the other way, but since we don't know, we can correct it.
    
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| Now, if she could not load the game with mods. This time, no mods, and still same problem. |
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It has been my experience that stardock and carielf do everthing that they can to debug a game problem. Sounds to me like you have a ligit problem. Are they working on it or have you yet to submit it?
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