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This next election is going to be a tough one, I don't like for Bush to loose it, but Iraq is like a bad spell on his back, over 600 American soldiers killed over there and the number keeps growing, it is time to bring our soldiers back home and let the Iraquies to take care of their land, why do we need our best people to die over there? The time has come to stop the massacre of American soldiers. 
I learned way back in my youth that if you are not willing to defend yourself don't expect anyone to do it for you.
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Actually at least some of them did it because they thought the electoral college would deadlock 7 out of 10 times and throw it into Congress.
     
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Very wise man. 
Are you sure you're a Pirate? 
  
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That was my plan... Unfortunately, it turned out to be their plan too. OK, how about this - we gamble. Winner gets a player from the other empire. Sooner or later, one side will get enough players to be a contender for first place. No?
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I'll give it a go, take a leaf out of GoblinCookie's book. Now, what would a winner be thinking?
Woohoo! We've retaken first place! Bad luck Guardians, ha ha ha! I knew Lothmorg would rejoin us in time!
Hey, this feels pretty good. Who need reality?
  
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Ways and means could and would have been found, as discussed in my email to you....
Alex
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You did say an exception could be made for Nastavnik, I'd forgotten about that.
Still, having thought about it, what I really want is to rebuild the Fellowship as a major power. Starting a new merged empire doesn't feel like the same thing. I guess I'll have to keep hoping that the lost players will return when Altarian Prophecy is officially released.
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There is no hope Matthew, don't delude yourself.
Gandalf has officially joined the Guardians, you might as well come on over aswell.
  
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Don't remind me...
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That's nice of you Greldon. It wouldn't do to keep harping on about it in here. 
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You'll be crippled by the inactives though - particularly as aging occurs....
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Ok a dose of reality.
1. It is a much tougher effort to rebuild than it is to demolish and start anew. But as we Pirates alone have shown, it is possible and the effort is worth it.
2. It is really tough to rebuild if the emporer is in absentia. That might be your achilles heel.
3. The Ringers are in 3rd. Yes you're in Danger of falling two spots in a couple of weeks, but right now, you do not have nearly as far to go as we did and still do.
4. No need to live in the realm of unreality. Just know that the task ahead is formidible, but not undoable as we've already shown.
5. The Core group of players in this empire are still intact. Many don't have time to play much but they are still there. Ric comes back from time to time as do others. You've lost some bandwaggoners along with some good members (I think you can tell the difference between the two without illustration) But you'll gain new committed members on the way back up.
6. The question you have to ask yourself is if you have the required time to put in to rebuild. If you do, and a couple others do also, I'd say it's worth it. If you do not, I'd say jump ship. (say have you ever thought of becoming a pirate?) But if you decide to jump ship, don't merge simply for the sake of merging to move up in the rankings. We had 3 such offers and turned them all down simply because the concepts of the two merged empires were too incompatible. Merge because you can relate to the theme and players in the new empire.
Have you ever thought of becoming pirates?... You'd make good dread pirate ringers.
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Still not convinced about this. They keep us ahead of GROSS et al, and I've yet to be told, "I would have joined the Fellowship, only there were too many members."
Or is that what they're all secretly thinking? Hard to say...
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Starting anew is pretty tough as well. It would take a number of people who know you and who aren't feeling especially loyal to their current empire to get it off the ground. Probably have to wait until the Guardians lose momentum for that to work, and who knows how long that could be?
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Matthew, when I first joined, I considered the Fellowship, and the Jedi. But I decided to join the Diplomats because they were smaller. Also, I did not want to start off at the top, I wanted to work my way up. Hence, my decision. But perhaps this is just me.
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Anyone else got any stories to tell about how they chose their empire? I went for the Fellowship without doing any real research, because they seemed vaguely good-aligned, while GROSS, who were just ahead at the top of the metaverse at the time, seemed vaguely evil-aligned.
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| Still not convinced about this. They keep us ahead of GROSS et al, and I've yet to be told, "I would have joined the Fellowship, only there were too many members." Or is that what they're all secretly thinking? Hard to say... |
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| Matthew, when I first joined, I considered the Fellowship, and the Jedi. But I decided to join the Diplomats because they were smaller. Also, I did not want to start off at the top, I wanted to work my way up. Hence, my decision. But perhaps this is just me. |
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I too dismissed the Fellowship out of hand due to their size and their perceived (real or not) inactivity. And I wanted to be a part of an empire's rise to number 1. I just had no idea that it would olny be weeks after I joined (Guardians were in fifth when I was looking, fourth when I joined).
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I joined the Guardians when there were only four members, and we were behind Apolyton at the time. I wanted to be in a new, fresh empire so that I could try to help it climb to the top.
 
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If you permit me to ramble on a bit more... (else skip this post )
I was afraid that I would be ignored in a large and established empire. That I would be considered a n00b and nobody would take the time to answer questions. That any acomplishments that I made would be so marginal compared to those before me that I would be shunned. I am happy to say that in terms of the entire GC community that I am proven wrong. But for a new player, it can be intimidating looking at a large roster of players that have been around for a year, half of which don't even bother to post or play anymore.
For whatever that may be worth...
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I beleive you may have an answer Matthew.
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I considered joining the Fellowship or the Jedi Republic, because both were themes I liked. I choose the Jedi both because they were smaller and because the Fellowship was already in first place.
   
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Joining the first place alliance does feel like cheating, doesn't it? Maybe that'll stop the Guardians recruiting anyone else. But I doubt it.
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