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Do you still think GalCiv 1 is fun even with GalCiv II out?
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1- Yes
2- No


The Prancing Pony (Fellowship of the Ring Empire Thread)
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#1625  by Ambassador Ray the Wanderer - 8/1/2004 10:35:56 AM

Beats me.

Since I believe there is some kind of royalty payment to the developer who lists their games on TG, there should be some value (in terms of cards) given to players who download the game as part of TG.



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#1626  by Ambassador Ray the Wanderer - 8/2/2004 8:56:27 PM

Seems like there are positive signals regarding a possible hosting of Star Chamber on TG.net.

The fact that both are award winning and highly rated space TBS games make for a great partnership in my opinion.

I really hope some of you will get into the game if this partnership does materalize.

You guys would really love the intense head-to-head competitive games held over 30-45 minutes each which are usually decided by a single move.
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#1627  by Veteran Grand_Admiral_Thrawn - 8/2/2004 9:04:53 PM

I'd personally like to look into it if it becomes hosted over TG.net, but I don't really have extra money to pay for a subscription now. Would it be covered in the costs of TG.net?

                      
#1628  by Ambassador Ray the Wanderer - 8/2/2004 9:41:05 PM

Discussions are still preliminary so I've no idea whether there is an intention to include a Star Chamber subscription as part of TG.net.

What I do anticipate is that TG.net subscribers would get a Star Chamber Starter Package as part of TG.net. That would be enough for players to try out the full game to see if they like to get into it more.

Personally, I think the $6 SC monthly subscription is great value for money as you get cards and tickets with value in excess of $6 and also the opportunity to participiate in subscriber only tournaments, such as the highly prestigious Galaxy Cup.

                        
#1629  by Veteran vincible - 8/2/2004 9:49:10 PM

Hey Ray, what happened regarding the business you were thinking about starting?

I'm thinking about going down that route myself. Our lab has a small invention, and I'm thinking that I might want to look into producing it in the future, after I get my degree. (Probably four years to go.)
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#1630  by Ambassador Ray the Wanderer - 8/2/2004 10:12:11 PM

I did some analysis on starting a business here in Singapore and at this point in time, I'm not yet able to overcome two main roadblocks.

Firstly, Singapore is extremely small both in terms of market size and physical space. For any business that I could conceivably start with my current skills and capital, there are established competitors a stone's throw away. The market here is quite efficient due to highly developed communications, thus it is difficult to make supernormal profits without key differentiating factors in my product or service.

That is my second problem. I currently do not possess any skill or product which could be differentiated against my potential competition.

Have you patented your invention yet?

Note that you need not go down the business route if your passion is with inventing. You could license your invention to businesses and make money out of it that way.

You should consider that four years could be a very long time if your invention relates to technologies that have a very short commercial shelf life.

                        
#1631  by Veteran vincible - 8/2/2004 10:54:20 PM

Thanks for the input.

We're leaning toward a temporary license to a company. But I've always felt that I might enjoy running a business, and this seems to be a good chance.

The patent application is filed. It's not mine so much as a coworker's--I had a little input but the central idea and the work were mostly his. He's not entrepreneurial, though.

It doesn't relate to anything with a shelf life. Basically it's some electronics that can be used to improve the one aspect of the performance of a certain rare type of microscope--rare enough that most are custom-made. The market would only be a few physics and chemistry professors and people at a couple large companies like IBM. So the market is quite small--maybe a few tens of sales each year.

The competing product (which has a monopoly) currently costs $20,000. I'm not sure how much their actual production costs are, and I don't know how to find out (though I haven't researched this at all). Our product works better and costs about $2,000 to manufacture, plus a week of labor for one person, and the university would take a cut of the profits since it was invented while we were here.

                        
#1632  by Ambassador Ray the Wanderer - 8/3/2004 1:09:37 AM

Niche products such as yours are well suited for small startups, especially if there are few competitors.

Does your tens of sales per year represent a global market demand or just the US market? Are there any global competitors that you are aware of?

If you can successfully differentiate your product in the minds of your customers in terms of product quality, my opinion is that you should not undercut your competitor in terms of price. Price it above your competitor so that both of you can enjoy monopolistic profits.

You should also consider a scenario where you license your invention to the current monopoly and see what you can get out of that. This is not an easy analysis though as you probably wouldn't know how they would be willing to pay in terms of license fees. There is also the possibility that they will challenge your patent once they get news of it so a solid patent is important. Patenting is a very expensive process though. I hear US patent attorneys charge hundreds of dollars an hour. Who is bearing the patent costs?

                        
#1633  by Veteran vincible - 8/5/2004 12:30:22 PM

There is virtually no global demand, just US. Maybe one or two people in Japan might be interested.

The university is bearing the patent costs, thankfully.

If you can successfully differentiate your product in the minds of your customers in terms of product quality, my opinion is that you should not undercut your competitor in terms of price. Price it above your competitor so that both of you can enjoy monopolistic profits.


This is why I would love to know their production costs. If they're selling for $20K and their production cost is $18K, I could get the whole market while selling at $15K. If their cost something like $10K, then your strategy would be best.

Hmm... a lot of work to do... but in a good way
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#1634  by Veteran Grand_Admiral_Thrawn - 8/5/2004 12:52:29 PM

Just curious, anyone know what happened to Matthew? Haven't seen him for a long time.

                      
#1635  by Veteran vincible - 8/5/2004 2:56:40 PM

He got a job.

                        
#1636  by Veteran vincible - 8/8/2004 4:32:20 PM

Man, nothing like the j-word to kill a thread...

                        
#1637  by Citizen musicfan55 - 8/8/2004 5:02:13 PM

but Matthew did submit a game. . .

                          
#1638  by Citizen damoose - 8/9/2004 3:44:50 AM

Man, nothing like the j-word to kill a thread...


Yes... but even worse are the G/F and W words.

                      
#1639  by Citizen Matthew Downie - 8/9/2004 10:04:38 AM

I can read this thread from work, as long as no-one catches me. I just didn't have anything to say on the subject of the microscope-component trade.

I got some professional feeback on my novel. He advises me to rewrite it but not to bin it. I may even read the rest of what he wrote at some point. Why is it that advice always feels like criticism, and criticism always feels like being kicked in the teeth?

                          
#1640  by Citizen musicfan55 - 8/10/2004 12:49:14 PM

Hi Matthew. Good to see you post. I didn't have anything to say on that either.

I write also but mostly technical and political material. Advice and criticism are fine when the other person is on the same team and you are working together for a common goal. At times other than that, it can resemble complaining - something that none of us relish. Good luck.

                          
#1641  by Citizen CypherPax - 8/12/2004 1:33:57 PM

Vincible,

You seem to have a great business case. There's a myth that business are hard to run, but over the first five years of their life only about 5% of business fail a year. If you can find the time - it probably won't be that hard for you to get your business off the ground now.

I ran (run) a small software business which I suspended because I acquired a large client who hired me. I'm currently in the process of helping my wife start a decorating business... believe or not, the business end is largely the same. The hard part is finding a idea to commercialize.

Setting up a partnership is something you can do quickly and relatively cheaply in most states. I'd be happy to chat if you're interested, but you're better off talking to someone in your field who has had experience commercializing a product if you can.

I'd advise you to go for it now -- I don't know how familiar you are with IP law - but it doesn't favor you unless MIT chooses to get involved. Patent cases that a LONG time to resolve and probably more money that you'd make given your market size (particularly in a federal court if you competitor is based in another state). Software is definitely a different animal than your type of research, but you might want to consider moving fast..

With a speciality product, your competition is also not likely to be charging list price. I did tech sales for specialized production systems where price list was twice cost - but typically sales where about 25-40% profit. If your competition is a public company, you should be able to ballpark how much they're actually charging and roughly what percentage they claim as profits. Also, if they're selling to a public organization (i.e. a state school) - you can often dig up records of the transaction or a budget.

Also, I wouldn't share your production costs in a public forum. Don't forget to build in the labor cost as a salary (especially if you do the work yourself). You need to include wages, benefits, taxes, and insurance as part of your cost as it will:
1. Provide a more realistic business plan.
2. Most likely help with your taxes (given your potential revenues you may consider an LLC or even a corporation instead of a partnership but I'm not an accountant so I can't make a recommendation other than my accountant had me set up as LLC after it was clear yearly revenues would be over 200K. You sound like you'd be in the same boat rather quickly...).

Good luck...
Michael (Cypher) Michael14618@yahoo.com Email


                        
#1642  by Citizen musicfan55 - 8/16/2004 11:11:26 AM

Good conversation but above my head. Sorry I don't have anything that profound to discuss. I am still having fun playing AP and still find it a challenge.

Finally rented a DVD that I have been wanting to see for a while and it has aged well, "Dog Day Afternoon". Al Pacino did that one between Godfather I and Godfather II. What an amazing actor and wild story. Highly recommended. Later.

                          
#1643  by Citizen musicfan55 - 8/18/2004 5:10:23 PM

"There's something about Mary" (1998) is a really funny flick. It is much better than the average "romantic comedy". I will see it again because some of the gags are fantastic.



                          
#1644  by Citizen Weyrleader - 8/25/2004 11:41:48 AM

I have posted a new thread in the General Forum as "Open Letters to Stardock - Plese Fix the Metaverse." Please go add your plea, suggestions, comments, etc. Ask them to respond, Let's see what they do.



                            
#1645  by Citizen Matthew Downie - 8/27/2004 10:45:08 AM

I haven't experienced any problem with the metaverse. My score seems to go down once per month, when I shift into a new block or whatever, and then go up on my next couple of games.

I've been modding GalCiv, trying to fix the things I find annoying about it. My main changes are:
All the buildings I never bothered building have been improved. (It seemed odd that I could build a galactic empire without a single hospital and no-one would mind...)
A super gaia-transformation type planetary improvement, which takes ages to build. (so there is almost always something left worth building... I hate it when I'm wasting money because I need to build things on some planets but have nothing left to build on others.)
A couple of +1 sensor bonuses in previously useless techs, for ease of scouting.
Galactic Domination Philosophy now gives you some bonuses (I never research it, but it's always irritated me).
Anti-matter missiles halved in power, in order to make it more balanced for the bots, who don't know how to use them.
Battle-hammers are replaced with a defensive ship, like a superior Battle-axe that can hold off a Battleship. (I was hoping the AI would recognise the value of these and not leave his planets unguarded.)
And, for less clicking, I reduced the number of ships I needed to build:
A bigger combat transport, earned with Ranger tech.
An instant-terror star upgrade, which costs 10,000BC but only takes one constructor.
An expensive but instant culture-palace upgrade.

                          
#1646  by Citizen Hegetaga - 8/29/2004 4:48:41 PM

ARRRR... *looks around* the pony be empty.. nows the time to help meself to the good stuff... and re borrow those anti-undead wards for uh.. the places the need to be.. now where do they keep the elvish magik..? arrr..

                      
#1647  by Citizen musicfan55 - 8/29/2004 5:26:08 PM

Hi all. Been busy with real life but just submitted a game. Good to hear from you Matthew. Am not sure about the metaverse problem. I should go read the thread. It has been a chore to make headway but there are some good players in front of me so I can't tell. It's still fun. Later.

                          
#1648  by Citizen Weyrleader - 8/29/2004 5:34:41 PM

there are some good players in front of me so I can't tell. It's still fun. Later.


Rich,
The two players above you are both idle at the moment. Jackey Jackey hasn't submitted for almost a month and Naqmir has retired and is not submitting anymore. This means you're just chasing a fire hydrant for those two.

                            
#1649  by Citizen Hegetaga - 8/30/2004 3:18:44 AM

Jackey Jackey


Jackey Jackey has laid down his cutlass... but left with enough grog to drown a planet.

                      
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