#150
by Citizen Smegged - 2/19/2004 12:36:35 AM
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Realms Beyond was originally a diablo/diablo II community. Then when those games became old the community turned to other games. Particularly Civ III. On the big Civ III websites we found that tournaments were being run that didn't match our tastes. The tourneys encouraged milking the score and using exploits to win. So RB created their own tourney, shunning the Civ Fanatics Game Of The Month tourney. We started this tourney a full year after Civ 3 was released, and within the first few games, we had a workable list of "things to avoid". The things on that list were serious exploits of the game. Also, reloading from earlier saves was taken off the table so as to avoid the "perfect path to victory". RB players lived and died by their mistakes. And we had a bucketload of fun. Several of my most memorable games of Civ 3 were LOSSES in the early epics.
As time went on, the expansions were released, and that, combined with a fading interest in the game, I stopped playing the epics. However, the last time I checked, the tourney is still running strong, gaining new members fairly regularly.
I, and many other RB players were looking forward to a tourney run in a similar manner for Galciv, so hearing Sirian's loss of interest is a big blow.
-Smegged
       
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#151
by Citizen Bam_Bam - 2/19/2004 11:13:09 AM
Wombat,
Thanks for your thoughts. I agree that our very nature can alienate us from many in gaming communities, and our inclination to comment on "exploits", game balance, and the like may paint us as elitists. We do have to watch that our comments about our and others' gaming choices do not fall into the "looking down our noses" at others' efforts. It is a fine line, because we are so intense in our gaming. Not commenting on unbalancing play techniques is something few of us can abide.
We view constructive criticism on our gaming as inseperable from the experience--so many times we offer that criticism with the view that it will be as welcome elsewhere as it is at RB. That combined with our tone can get us into trouble. We will do our best to continue to offer advice on tactics/rulesets/etc. that we feel will enhance gameplay, provide balance and ultimately provide for longer game legs without being condescending or pejorative. There will be times where we fail, but we will respond and correct things if we have crossed the line. That has already happened here in discussions about the lightning alpha strike in a couple of threads.
Our succession games and tournament will be open to all, and I will continue to beat the bushes for participation from other empires--mainly because I have found that succession games and tournament games provides for a shared GAMING experience in a single-player game. The metaverse is a shared experience, but where it does not satisfy (for me) is the shared experience of the JOURNEY of the game. Succession games get that, and our tournament will focus on the journey (via game reporting).
Again--thanks for the thoughts and feedback.
   
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 It's cool, and of course I respect that. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and with that perhaps this dialogue would have happened earlier and in a different way, with a different outcome. You'll appreciate I'm only speaking for myself, not the community - but at the end of the day I just feel you're owed an honest opinion, at least by me. The "lengthy reply" has me intrigued, but I can understand your reluctance to enbark on that right now. I'm here  Email but certainly don't feel that you have to persue it - sometimes the simple passage of time helps us all.
     
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Yeah, but most of the people who participated in that debate are gone now. Their opinions don't count any more.
  
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Does this means that the US constitution should be completly changed since the writers are no longer alive? 
    
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| there have been at least 3 empires in the last month who have disregarded the guidelines |
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Well let me see the threads that should have been started in empire forum:
- Diplomats, for finding lost members
- Guardian, for finding lost members
- Guardian, for explaining tha a new empire have appeared
- GROSS, for a call to all pirates
- Jedi for updating a story
I haven't any number about empire recruiting that have crossed the line.
Did I miss something?
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Qwerk, I do not understand why you are being bothered by this.
One hand you say you don't care then on the other you are threating us to comply???
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| there have been at least 3 empires in the last month who have disregarded the guidelines.. |
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At least four if you include Starfleet:
If you people are really interested in overthrowing 1st place.. then consider joining starfleet.. as I'm not moving again.. and I'm a regular submitter to the metaverse... Why arn't I moving again.. its because this is the 3rd empire i've been involved in.. Starfleet can and will Outlast most if not all empires... even when people / members decide to move on.. as they will do.. however I will be here...
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(Of course, that was on a thread that had already segued into empire-related discussions.)
The thing is, they're guidelines, not laws. Weyrleader said he left the Fellowship because he couldn't find the thread, and it's easy for new players to miss the existence of the non-main forums entirely. Is it any wonder that people send out calls to their comrades on the main forum? I'm pretty sure there was an informal agreement that it was OK to do that as long as the title explained that it wasn't for general consumption.
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I had promised myself not to get invovled in this particular debate. It doesn't help any of us and new commers don't want to join a gripe session (usually, anyway). There are many threads in the main forum not related to the main issues of GalCiv. Future products, would you preorder..., windows blinds, etc. etc. Some more blatant than others. MOM is a thread totally currently unrelated to anything in GalCiv yet it is probably one of the most active threads.
I suggest we all take a three day holiday, get a life, and then start enjoying playing the game and the companionship of like minded people. Let's not worry about who posts what where. If you have concerns about it, just don't do it. If no one responds to an out of position post, it will die a natural death. If you want to pick up the thread, start on where it should be and people that want to discuss it with you will follow you there to discuss it. Posts bring more posts.
Weyr steps down from his soapbox and walks out of the park.
   
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J T Qwerk has a strong opinion on this matter and we respect and value his opinion. After he expressed his opinion yesterday we decided to let our thread fade away and die. He will have to forgive us if we do not understand his concern, as we were not around when whole recruitment debates happened. Nor do I care to read through the history. The thread proved humorous, but did not attract a single Guardian to visit us anyway.
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| I suggest we all take a three day holiday, get a life, and then start enjoying playing the game and the companionship of like minded people. Let's not worry about who posts what where. If you have concerns about it, just don't do it. |
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I agree! let it drop Qwerk.
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Qwerk, those messages are to kick people out. Not recruit people. Have you seen that nobody has joined the Diplomats recently? Much to my regret, we are dead. I haven't seen our current emperor in over a month, and our past emperor for days. I'm apparently running the place. And you accuse us of recruiting? I've got nobody to recruit! I wish I did! That is the best place to find them. There is nothing about it in the title about recruiting. I'm attempting to do the opposite.
But why are we having this conversation anyway? Why does this thread even exist? I don't remember anything good happening in this thread. I wish it had stayed dead.
 
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Well, I know I should be let this thread die but:
| Peace Pheonix if you are trying to get me mad you are succeeding |
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Nope, I just want to understand what I am missing. It looks like I haven't the same understanding of the rules than you. For me, the rules were set to:
- prevent empire threads for taking all space on the first page of the galactic forum
- avoid endless recruitements and endless empire banters in other threads, diverting them from their original subject.
BUT if I remember correctly a post from CariElf (too bad, I don't remember the thread in which it was), she doesn't want to have the empires leaving completly. She even suggest that from times to times, empires should make a small appearence in Galactic Forum (I don't remember exactly her wording).
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I found the post I was refering to. It is the post 27 in this thread  Link
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