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#126
by Citizen Bam_Bam - 2/18/2004 9:30:13 PM
Sirian,
First, thanks for letting us know where you are with the community and the game. I'm not surprised by what you have said. I could almost sense where you were heading. In fact, I am feeling some of the same feelings about the game, as well. I would not say that every map roll and ability (or lack thereof) combination is winnable by buying your way out of trouble, but I am finding the ease of using 99 turn payments to stabilize relations to be too unbalancing. From what has been written about the expansion--that technique is even more powerful when you have 7 major AIs around--sniping at each other as long as the cash trickle continues.
I am still enjoying the game, and probably will through the expansion. The recent forum fun (for lack of a better word) has made me scale back time here. I tried to go back to Civ3 conquests, but even Epic 38 could not hold my attention. I played through part of the game (the fun expansion part, for this variant), but just could not keep going.
I can see how your personality, and RB in general does nto fit the mold of this environment. For what it's worth (to be diplomatic again  ) that does not mean that our view is better--just different and enough off the main view that we stand out and perhaps engender distrust. I cannot look from others shoes on this one, because I have felt at home with RB from the moment I started playing the Epics, even though that was a step change in how I gamed--I did not game like and RB'er before, but as soon as I became associated with this crowd--everything clicked.
To be sure, your gradual souring on the game and community has taken its toll. You can be a difficult person to associate with--that is, association does not fit you, so deep is your passion and drive for more substance that mere association never seems to suit. Your approach and strengh of views also quickly puts you in the position of a lightning rod. At least that is how I see it.
I share some of those qualities, so I think I understand a bit. I am disappointed to see you backing off, but again--I've seen that in Civ (to a less abrupt extent to be sure, since you kept up the tourney), and I read it in your days with D2. I picked up the D2 as I burned out on Civ, and still have some chars to 3dot in v1.6 (no sorcies, though--I'm a melee nut--with the lone exception of a skeletor type  ). Why apologize for leading us to the game, when we have enjoyed and are enjoying ourselves? Blah to that. To be sure your reviews and interest in the game were major reasons why I am here, but we all make our own decisions here, ok?
As far as the promise of an RB tournament, others can attempt to carry the banner, too. True we may not have the seasoning, but all the more reason for us to step to the plate. So, my only request for you as far as GalCiv goes, is to lend an ear or two, because I would like to have a go at an RB tournament--even if we only manage a few games. The game may not have the legs for 38+ epics, but I would like your advice in setting up a tournament in your absence. Think of it as tournament director emeratis, if you will. Some of us not so long in the teeth with game communities could use the seasoning.
I am concerned about participation, and I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed with the turnout for our first maso SG (nothing against the team we did assemble, ok?). I can rationalize some of it to the v1.19/1.2 announcement, but I did feel like I was talking to a wall at times. I felt that feeling in other discussions here, as well.
Luckily, the participation that we HAVE had in RB SGs has been positive enough (and I have enough energy) to keep plugging away. So my spamming  of the boards for the next RB SG will soon begin anew.
As far as the Clone Wars--I say we sign up with Aldar and either ANZAC or the Centurions. Given the high level of participation from the European Alliance in our SGs--I would welcome joining up with those folks as well. I do not plan on changing my submission patterns, but I would look to the opportunity to get to know more of the folks around here and perhaps lure one or two to some more SGs or to the upcoming RB singleplayer tournament. Aldar expressed interest in a n RB/Aldar/Centurion alliance, and I haven't yet read any response from Evil Steve aND tHE bOYZ fROM oZ. Whatever works. It will be as fun as we make it. Fun is where you find it, right?
- Bam-Bam
        
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#127
by Citizen Zed F - 2/18/2004 10:06:21 PM
Sirian,
I'd have to agree to the sentiment of holding the tourney anyway. For one thing it would be in my view grossly unfair to those who bought the game expressly for the purpose of competing in a tournament for us (RB as a whole) to not at least make an attempt, even if you are not the prime organizer. If it turns out as MOO3 did, we will at least have tried.
As for the rest of the meta, they can join us or not, as they wish. If they do, they might learn something from the discussions. If they choose not to, but instead start their own tournaments, that's their lookout. The existing alliance tournament is typical of what I would expect to come out of the metaverse, and bears about as much resemblence to what our tourney will be like as chalk does to cheese. People will gravitate to those tourneys which they feel promote what they value about GalCiv, and that's in my view to the good.
While I agree that there are a LOT of holes in the AI that would need to be papered over, it may be the case that a few sweeping changes would ameliorate the situation for a large number of them. Like, for instance, suppose that bc/t didn't exist... that's a pretty blunt instrument, but it's simple and covers up a lot of economic problems. It may be the case that we need to start with some big blunt changes, and refine as we go, in order to get a simple ruleset out quickly and with a minimum of fuss, while covering off rules-lawyers with the promise of a more refined ruleset later.
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I have responded to Sirian's post in the recruitment thread in which he posted, rather than here. I offer the comments to you during your reflections.
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Choose Your Own Adventure Booze Raid
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BOOM!!! Your vessel trembles after being rammed by a pirate ship. “Bad form,” you mutter to yourself. Ramming is supposed to be a last ditch tactic, but these marauders didn’t even wait until after a few phaser exchanges. BOOM!!! Before you can establish a comm link in order to voice a complaint, hordes of space pirates pour through a hole in your hull. Laser beams flash across your bridge killing three of your crew. “Surrender yer booze er we start killin’!” a pirate hollers. What will you do?
a) You boldly stride up to the lead raider in order to explain how he cannot threaten to begin killing once he has already begun killing. Go to post #51 in the “Forget about those sissy empires!” thread.
b) You respond with a look of confusion. “We don’t have any booze,” you explain. Go to post #61 in the NEW AND FIRST ALLIANCE TOURNAMENT thread.
c) After throwing you hands up you yell, “please don’t hurt me! I’m just a cheesy surrender monkey!” Go to post #23 in the “How do I find out about diplomatic relations” thread.
   
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| Aldar-Anzac-RB, what should we call ourselves? |
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I have a good name for your illustrious alliance.
Mere Target Practice!!!!!!
 
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Wow a nasty one
True
But nasty
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| You didn't notice the automatic security systems wiping out your boarding parties as you pranced your way onto the bridge, did you |
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Of course they didn't. We already disabled them.
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| Aldar-Anzac-RB, what should we call ourselves? |
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Now following up Zed's post on the Clone War thread, I think the name is obvious: The Variant Scum (it's a joke, guys  )
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