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| He started with one political party with absurd bonuses. He played up to the end. He used an outside editor at that point to change the data of that political party to win the game and to ensure the score would not be flagged. This is CHEATING plain and simple. |
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I agree. People try to colour it differently but what he did is cheating.
The funny thing is, this is not how he was caught cheating. This is the cheat that he admitted to. He was caught modifying the GAME ID to submit one game as many games.
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by Veteran Terl - 6/25/2004 7:07:39 AM
| He was caught modifying the GAME ID to submit one game as many games. |
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Per Stardock (Frogboy's post): We don't know precisely how they did this (hex editor, decompiler, etc.) but the only things that would appear different in the game were the gameID and sometimes the first researched tech. Otherwise, it was still the same map, the same enemies, the same everything.
This alludes to many possibilities, not merely the one you cite. Bottom line: He cheated. He may have used the method he described and not a hex editor, but cheat is cheat.
Unfortunately, it is difficult to keep all hacks out of a game as there is always someone looking for the easy route. And there is always someone, somewhere who wants to run with the big boys of the pack badly enough to resort to less than honorable tactics to become one of the group. I am happy Stardock is enforcing the standards. I hope they learn from this and shut down even more of the possibilities. I have long thought that only unmodded games should be allowed to be posted anyway, otherwise the level playing field is nonexistent.
   
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| I enjoyed the For Honor and Justice slogan of this empire. Honor has no gray area. Perhaps, I am in the wrong place if there is such overwhelming support of Renegade's tactics. |
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Terl, Please don't even kid around about leaving. The Guardians are fragile right now, especially with the loss of Greldon and Loth. We need you. We need to pull together as Guardians if the empire is to survive. I agree with you that Renegades tactics have crossed over the line from cheese to cheat. Weryleader is passionate in his defense of Loth, which I quite understand. He is also entitled to his opinion barring an offical ruling by Stardock, which I think is part of his point. I don't want to see this degenerate into a "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin" arguement.
Terl, sorry if this is addressing you more than the point, but I am in a hurry because I am late for work and don't have time to edit this post better. Will try to be more even handed if I have time at the office... just scared me with your remark about leaving. I find that I am in danger of whining "Why can't we all just get along?"
More soon...
    
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| With GalCiv writer involved he seems to be editing his game files to me....for a game in progress. He changed the gameplay rules during the game. Is this so hard for you to see? |
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I guess meaning of words are important here: Renegade use GalCiv Writer to edit pol party, one of the files used by the game. But he hasn't edited the savegame file.
So what are game files? Savegames or all the files used by Galciv?
And I agree that what have done Renegade, playing a game that should raise the anomalous flag and few turns before submission, changing files in order not to raise it when submitting, is cheating.
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Well, I don't think by any means what Renegade did was right, but he DID find a hole in the game data. Something that needed to be done. So by some extremely twisted version of reality, what Renegade did was very good and very wrong at the same time.
 
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quite so, actually...
