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Do you still think GalCiv 1 is fun even with GalCiv II out?
758 votes
1- Yes
2- No


Raven's Claw (The Galactic Guardians Empire Thread)
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#15825  by Diplomat Peace Phoenix - 8/26/2004 2:38:04 AM

. I was looking at my history since my return and estimate losing more than 350K mpts since then,


What do you means? You have reached the same score than in may 2004.
But you have also forgot the aging effect: 3 month aging with 5% decay means at least to loose 300 K Mpts when having 2000K Mpts. And I don't take in account any block movement.

But there is the nasty effect about the metaverse: the more old games you have, the more games you must submit just to compensate the aging effect. And the squareroot effect isn't your friend in this case.

                          
#15826  by Citizen Weyrleader - 8/26/2004 4:52:27 AM

But there is the nasty effect about the metaverse: the more old games you have, the more games you must submit just to compensate the aging effect. And the squareroot effect isn't your friend in this case.


This implies to me that eventually you cannot submit enough new games to make up for the ageing affect and that as long as you contintue to submit at that point you lose.

                            
#15827  by Diplomat Peace Phoenix - 8/26/2004 5:02:21 AM

This implies to me that eventually you cannot submit enough new games to make up for the ageing affect and that as long as you contintue to submit at that point you lose.


True, but with a small tweak: games end up in a final block where the aging is 35%. This means that there a a floor value to your metaverse score: raw total / squareroot(total number of games) * 0.65.
For Greldon it is a bit more than 715 K.

                          
#15828  by Citizen Weyrleader - 8/26/2004 6:19:44 AM

Good Morning all, come see my new shiney!

                            
#15829  by Citizen littlewotts_ - 8/26/2004 6:23:13 AM

Congrats Weyr!!

                          
#15830  by Citizen NewfyScotian - 8/26/2004 6:39:05 AM

Greldon, I just noticed that Paguma lost 95,000 points yesterday, although he has not submitted any games since July.

The metaverse is not being a nice place lately.

I wish you well, please drop by and say hi from time to time.

                          
#15831  by Citizen _Attila_ - 8/26/2004 7:44:34 AM

Morning All!

Nice medal you've got in there!

@Greldon, i perfectly understand you as here everybody does why you want to quit playing...
Have a good time with other games! And drop by just to say hi!
I only hope now, that Stardock people will come back to they sences and get rid off this aging effect, i just hate it!

I hate Stardock, just bcoz they are not loyal to people... They dont care about as veterans, coz we bought their game, and we aint gonna make anyprofits to them anyway... the only thing we give 'em is headackes (Black Frday and some other issues)... so what they doing with getting rid of us! Thats very nice of them! Isnt it?!

                        
#15832  by Citizen Aww_Nuts - 8/26/2004 7:54:54 AM

Greldon, yours was the first detailed research strategy walkthrough that I used after I had played my first few games. I would be remiss if I didn't thank you for this. At the end of the day, long after points are forgotten, we will remember the people we met (cyber-met) through the game.

VoT, try to stay active in the Forums.



                      
#15833  by Citizen Genghis Hank - 8/26/2004 7:59:18 AM

Good Morning all, come see my new shiney!


Woot!

                          
#15834  by Citizen Greldon - 8/26/2004 8:32:36 AM

#15825 by Veteran Peace Phoenix - 8/26/2004 2:38:04 AM

. I was looking at my history since my return and estimate losing more than 350K mpts since then,

What do you means? You have reached the same score than in may 2004.But you have also forgot the aging effect: 3 month aging with 5% decay means at least to loose 300 K Mpts when having 2000K Mpts. And I don't take in account any block movement. But there is the nasty effect about the metaverse: the more old games you have, the more games you must submit just to compensate the aging effect. And the squareroot effect isn't your friend in this case.


I don't care that you're happy with the system, I'm not. I also don't need you to defend it to me all the time because nothing you say will make it right. The fact that I like to play more than you do, doesn't make me a second class citizen. I had no submissions for a long period of time because of circumstances beyond my control and I shouldn't be penalized for it. Finally, all this means nothing as I won't be playing any games in the future. Thanks for your support.


                          
#15835  by Diplomat Peace Phoenix - 8/26/2004 9:12:07 AM

Let's take the devil's advocate role.

I don't care that you're happy with the system, I'm not.

That is your right.

I also don't need you to defend it to me all the time because nothing you say will make it right.

That is not my intent. I want to clearly understand what you are saying. So it may appears that I defend the system. And what is right? The way you think the metaverse should behave from your point of view?

The fact that I like to play more than you do, doesn't make me a second class citizen.

It works both way.

I had no submissions for a long period of time because of circumstances beyond my control and I shouldn't be penalized for it

That is exactly what annoys me: the constant plea for not to be treated like others. And if you don't agree with the metaverse rules, don't play the metaverse game. And in RL it works the same. Sure there are insurance to avoid being too hardly penalized for something beyond your control (like natural disasters ...). But there isn't this kind of mechanism in the metaverse.

Finally, all this means nothing as I won't be playing any games in the future

Does this mean that the last appeal from Galciv was the metaverse game? So you can't play longer Galciv without submitting game to metaverse. Enjoying a Galciv game without submitting to metaverse sounds impossible to you from your writting.


                          
#15836  by Citizen Aww_Nuts - 8/26/2004 9:29:35 AM

Greldon, you could always play the game and then delay submission to the Meta until after your anniversary date. You would have to do some point smoothing which Peace could help you with.
[Message Edited]

                      
#15837  by Citizen Greldon - 8/26/2004 9:32:34 AM

You win.

                          
#15838  by Citizen Weyrleader - 8/26/2004 9:51:46 AM

Peace,
I think what we want to find is a solution to the problem that some perceive as being very sever. For those who don't feel it is a problem at all, hopefully the proposed solution won't impact them in any negative way. By doing this we increase the size and participation of the community and bring greater joy to producer and consumer alike. Since this is just a game, we should work with each other to make the game enjoyable by all. Right now, the impact is greatest on those who play a lot. I find this strange for a game make to make a game designed to be played only occasionaly. But that is a different issue. Can we find ways to fix this problem without hurting additional people in the process? I am sure that all the bright people in this community, which ranges from young school kids to PhD post graduates should be able to find a common ground on how to improve it for everyone.

                            
#15839  by Diplomat Peace Phoenix - 8/26/2004 10:18:51 AM

I surely missed something: if there is a problem with the philosophy beneath the metaverse, why playing the metaverse game?

Stardock has put it with something precise in mind. You may agree or disagree. But you can't deny them the right to keep what they have in mind. After all, the metaverse has evolved into masoverse when maso players succeeded to have maso games scoring more. There is an interesting post about this but I don't remember in which thread it is.

But since the game was release more than 1 year ago, I doubt that they will now modify it. I don't think that have any budget for this. I find strange that they have advertised some months ago about the various metaverse dimensions, but we still don't see anything.

Since this is just a game, we should work with each other to make the game enjoyable by all.

Which game are you speaking? Galciv or Metaverse?

. Can we find ways to fix this problem without hurting additional people in the process?

I never intended to hurt anyone. I always wanted to explain some rule aboyt the metaverse game since people feels it behave strangely. We can't influence the behavior, just explaining some oddities. If people don't accept these oddities and feel it is wrong, they shouldn't play the metaverse game. Instead they must remember that Galciv is more than the metaverse and they should play Galciv and enjoyed it and forget metaverse game.

And personnaly, I don't think that you can correctly satisfy people who have opposite needs:
- we have people who like to play a lot and other who have a lower submission rate (maybe due to RL)
- we have people who want to be rewarded for all of their games and others who want to be able to compete even if they are new to the game
- we have people that have a regular submission rate and others who have experienced weeks without submission

And remember: I never intend to hurt anyone. But I have big trouble to find the correct wordings since I write in a foreign language.

                          
#15840  by Citizen Weyrleader - 8/26/2004 10:44:28 AM

I never intend to hurt anyone


Peace, I think you have done a very good job of expressing yourself. I understand the difficulty of expressing yourself in a foreign language - I have tried that in my past in both German and French, neither in which did I succeed very much.

Please don't take my comments as suggesting that your explanations were designed to hurt anyone. I know that you were just explaining how things are. But, I personnaly think that if we can present a reasonable approach to changing the Metaverse that Stardock will in fact listen and perhaps make the change.

                            
#15841  by Citizen Evil Druid - 8/26/2004 1:19:58 PM

Congrats Weyr for reaching the big 3

I don't have any answers for the meta scoring problems. It just hurts to loose good people over a stupid math forumla.

                          
#15842  by Citizen Greldon - 8/26/2004 1:32:37 PM

Congrats on 3rd place Weyr....WTG!!!

                          
#15843  by Citizen Chipperoo - 8/26/2004 2:31:38 PM

WTG mister #3. A true "Galactic achievement" if I've even seen one.

                          
#15844  by Citizen Weyrleader - 8/26/2004 2:59:26 PM

Thank you all - your a great bunch of guys.

                            
#15845  by Citizen Moser_Alchemist - 8/26/2004 3:27:28 PM

Congrats Wehr!!!





                            
#15846  by Citizen Weyrleader - 8/26/2004 9:22:56 PM

Boom! Good night all

thanks Moser.

                            
#15847  by Citizen Genghis Hank - 8/26/2004 10:49:59 PM

Well, I think Newfy will probably catch me before I can move up again. I tossed in a tiny crip that only moved me about 2K. I must have some games that move late in the month because I always seem to slow down then. Thus spins the meta...

Night all!

                          
#15848  by Citizen Genghis Hank - 8/26/2004 10:54:10 PM

Oh BTW:

Please remember to cast your vote in the current poll if you haven't done so yet. Poll closes Monday.

                          
#15849  by Citizen littlewotts_ - 8/27/2004 5:36:35 AM

Morning everyone. I'm just dropping in for my morning grog.

                          
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