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Do you still think GalCiv 1 is fun even with GalCiv II out?
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NEW AND FIRST ALLIANCE TOURNAMENT
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by Veteran Disciple777 - 2/12/2004 3:37:27 PM

Some of the MWC and Jedis and myself were talking about the possibility with the help of Stardock and Alex and all those who like numbers, to create the first Alliance Tournament. These are the basic rules so far, let me know if some other must be add or changed.

1- 3 empires maximun for team
2- The competition will last 1 month
3- The results will be taken from each individula player score during the month (no the empire score, but the individual one in your profile)
4- All the points will be add and the top 3 alliance team will be the champions.
5- Also will be a special MASSO-OBSCENE competition for individual players.

Now we need your help to make this tournament possible. We would like to have the first tournament on April 1st.

      
#1  by Veteran surther - 2/12/2004 4:16:43 PM

I was kinda hoping that this is something that could be tied to the metaverse scoring pages. It would give smaller/less active Empires an opportunity to see their names at the top of a chart without having to sell out. It would be an attainable goal and would require that they be active in the forums in order to broker a good deal/alliance.

                      
#2  by Citizen Greldon - 2/12/2004 4:26:53 PM

We would like to have the first tournament on April 1st.




                          
#3  by Citizen Wild Wombat - 2/12/2004 5:40:57 PM

This is a terrific idea, and kudos to the group of players willing to develop and enhance the suggestion. Basically, you'll need to record everyone's score at start time somewhere so that only NEW scoring is added to the Alliance totals, and that scoreboard will obviously need to be kept seperately somewhere (in the same way the Statbot is) but perhaps with updates to this board. There's no point in asking Stardock to mess with the current scoring boards - we'll have to do this ourselves. I'd love to participate!

                          
#4  by Citizen CypherPax - 2/13/2004 8:32:12 AM

Mayito-

Great idea! I'd love to play...



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#5  by Veteran kasualkid - 2/13/2004 8:40:18 AM

I may be able to get Veteran idleprocess back on the boards to help create the charts. We are collecting the data already. He gets geeked out over this stuff.

OK, I do too!



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#6  by Veteran Theoden of Rohan - 2/13/2004 8:41:35 AM

Hey, I'd just like to see idle hanging around again...

                          
#7  by Veteran Disciple777 - 2/13/2004 10:28:08 AM

Good, I will say that basically the emperors need to create their team and posted here. Remember only 3 empires for team and its up to each team to choose the name of their team, this is just an example GROSEUROSF (Gross+Euro+SF) and each team will also choose a color to be identified by.

      
#8  by Veteran kasualkid - 2/13/2004 12:38:08 PM

What ideas are out there for scoring?



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#9  by Veteran Disciple777 - 2/13/2004 1:37:33 PM

I was thinking to add the scores for each player of each team during the month that the competition last and then compare the results. We could create a special division just for masso games.

      
#10  by Veteran surther - 2/13/2004 2:05:16 PM

We don't want to allienate people who don't play maso.

                      
#11  by Veteran surther - 2/13/2004 2:05:17 PM

It would be nice if Stardock could tie it to the current scoreboards.
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#12  by Veteran Grand_Admiral_Thrawn - 2/13/2004 5:23:16 PM

Any progress on the war idea that went with this over on the MWC thread? That sounds really cool, especially as a way for the little empires to knock away the dead ones by declaring war on them. It might clear up the metaverse.
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#13  by Citizen Wild Wombat - 2/15/2004 3:25:48 AM

A few more thoughts, depending on the wonderful abilities of the MWC statheads:

1. I'd favour flat out raw metaverse scores, as the Statbot records them. Forget this "dividing by square root of number of games played" rubbish.

2. Have the tournament over a 30 day period, all games raw score tallied. As suggested, max three empires per team. To make things easier, I think we'll have to presume all players scores from a given empire count in the tournament - it's too complicated for each emperor to decide which of his players is taking part and which isn't. Taking Mayito's example of GROSS + Euro + SF = GROSEUROSF, then GROSEUROSF's score after thirty days is the total raw score of all games submitted by ALL members of those three empires over that thirty days. It's got to be short and sharp to keep interest alive.

3. Must create awards at different levels as already suggested. The champion is the grand overall winner - highest total raw score for all games played in that thirty days at all levels. Then, I'd argue for Maso-Only champion and then collapse some of the difficulty levels for ease of computation, so:
a) Grand Champion team
b) Maso-level champion
c) Normal to Crippling level champion
d) All levels below Normal champion
(Obviously find catchy names for b, c and d!)

4. Must think about having a location where we can access the current updated scoring table, like the Statbot is now. Not sure who would be up for this?

5. Controversial: make a rule that says the three top empires can't combine. I want to bring the smaller empires who would find it hard to get to No.1 into a real battle. I think it's worth it.

6. Since we are "cloning" our Metaverse scores to another location for this purpose - how about we call it The First Clone War? Suitably sci-fi? OK, don't all applaud at once....

7. Don't expect any help from Stardock. I dont say that with any malice, I just don't think they can be expect5ed to devote any resources to it, so dont waste their time. If we can do it and show it produces good results, MAYBE we can take it to them next time. Let's just presume we're on our own for this one.

I'm pumped! Let's find a way to do this thing!!!!


                          
#14  by Citizen KitWarrior - 2/15/2004 10:32:14 AM

Wow... you are keen on this idea, aren't you? Light some fires, Iron Paw!

                      
#15  by Veteran Icho Tolot - 2/15/2004 10:50:45 AM

Well sound pretty cool to me, especially the award stuff

                          
#16  by Citizen Exar Kuun - 2/15/2004 11:14:37 AM

Okay I'm up for it, who is going to organise this thread and the tournament stuff? Wombie/MWC statheads would be good.

                      
#17  by Veteran Grand_Admiral_Thrawn - 2/15/2004 11:53:59 AM

Ideas:
b)The Maso-Man(or Woman)
c)KidNormale
d)Junior
For the empire alignments, only one in the top 10 in each alliance. (or top 5 if too hard) Makes it fairer. Let the Clone Wars begin!

                      
#18  by Citizen Exar Kuun - 2/15/2004 5:33:09 PM

Guys I think we need to get moving on this quick, within the next week or so, if no-one else to come up with a definite set of rules then myself and the Wild Wombat have volunteered to (hope you don't mind Wombie). This could be a great idea to bring some more life back into the metaverse, so lets get it going

Exar

                      
#19  by Citizen Hurley - 2/15/2004 9:39:19 PM

I may be able to get Veteran idleprocess back on the boards to help create the charts


People, don't know if you saw this post from idleprocess on Galciv Fiction sticky thread:

I'm glad to see you all are enjoying the site. I am the admin and am kind of out of the loop at the moment.My son, Joshua was recently diagnosed with a rare Lymphoma. He is currently in the hospital undergoing chemotherapy.


                      
#20  by Citizen Wild Wombat - 2/15/2004 10:20:19 PM

I just thought I'd try and crystallise some thoughts about why Exar and I are so keen about this, and clarify the general framework originally posted by Mayito and others. We think the Metaverse needs something else...many of us have been here for a long time, and with the exception of the occasional new empire that crops up (and Go You Guardians!) it's now tough to engender some excitement in the battles on the Metaverse table. The Masoverse scoring system has disenfranchised and frustrated some players. Point scoring gaps between empires are often so large that movement is rare. From time to time, some of us have discussed asking Stardock to 'zero' or reset the table completely, but that has its own problems and they weren't keen on it anyway. We think this First Clone War may be a way to 'reset' the system temporarily, to let everyone freshen up without risking any of those older, hard won gains. Also, some people have formed firm friendships with those in other empires - and this gives them a chance to fight on the same side without going through the issue of changing empires.

The First Clone War

Time: March 1st 00:00hrs to March 31st 23:59hrs.

Scoring: All valid scores logged on the Stardock system in the month of March, of whatever level of difficulty. Raw score totals will simply be added together to determine the winner.

Game Version: Any. Scoring changes only matter after the advent of the Masoverse, so play what you like. If you wish to play AP, suicidal will be counted as maso.

Teams: Each alliance will consist of no more than 3 empires (and ALL the players in those empires will be assumed to be playing in the tournament and ALL their scores in March will be counted). Less than three is fine; we're hoping at least the top 12 empires will participate, so that gives us at least 4 alliances battling each other.

Winning:
a) Grand champion alliance - highest raw score total, all difficulty levels.
b) Maso level champion alliance - highest raw score total, maso/suicidal games only.
c) Normal-crippling champion alliance
d) Below normal champion alliance

We'd like to be able to give a player breakdown too, but I think that depends on how much stat support we can get (are you out there, kasualkid?!). Exar and I have discussed this - we'll add the darn things up by hand if we can't get tech support, we think it's that important.

Now until March 1st is the diplomacy phase to sort out alliance partners and see if we can get the tech stuff set up. Come and have some fun - everyone is starting at ZERO, and it's a one month battle! If it works well, we'll have more - and the alliances and partnerships can change around.

                          
#21  by Citizen Hurley - 2/15/2004 10:29:57 PM

we think it's that important


The Iron Paw has spoken!!!!!!!!!!
All hail the Paw!!!!!!!!!

(And yes, yes before you say anything if you want respect buy a dog! )
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#22  by Citizen _G-Force_ - 2/16/2004 7:01:11 AM

Seems like a good idea, the European Alliance likes the idea of Alliances

If you need a forum for it, I'd be happy to make one available on the European boards.

G-Force

                    
#23  by Veteran Disciple777 - 2/16/2004 8:41:33 AM

Great, I agree with the Iron Paw, the 3 top empires cannot ally with each other. That way the smaller empire will be encourage to do it. I think that Wild Wombat could be the President of this tournament and with the Help of Idle process and the EURO to host the Tournament page we could make this tournament the first CLONE WAR!!!

Guys what do you think? My participation will be very limited because I don't have internet access from home and all my input will have to be done from work. I had to cancell my Internet provider, they used a phone in my same area code that was long distance and I didn't know about it and now I have 535.00 phone bill to pay. Nothing to say about the look on my wife's face.

      
#24  by Veteran kasualkid - 2/16/2004 10:06:05 AM

Ok, being the database guy on the statbot, getting the data should be no problem. We pull scores twice a day (6AM, 6PM CST). I might have to tweak the scripts a bit if an empire participates that is ranked lower than 25. No problem there either.

Once the teams are set, it is a pretty trivial matter to aggregate the scores with a query.

The slow part for me will be the presentation part - ie. displaying the rankings - but I think I can figure it out.

I agree with Wombat - raw points are better (read: EASIER)



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