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by Citizen Bam_Bam - 4/8/2004 3:42:24 PM
BS, Renegade. You speak of one that KNOWS of God's will. Across the sea are some folks near Mecca and Medina that also surely know God's will as well. I am sure that all can quote liberally from Qur'an and Bible (including many translations). After all, both are the Word of God, according to the believer.
How well and literal do you follow this?
Deuteronomy Chapter 5, vs. 12-15
"'Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, or your manservant, or your maidservant, or your ox, or your ass, or any of your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your manservant and your maidservant may rest as well as you. 15 You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day."
That's one of the commandments. Part of the original covenant.
I am sure there is plenty of text in the Bible to which literal interpretation as the word of God seems a bit off. Take 1 Kings. The killings and subterfuge at the end of King David's reign, for instance.
How about this from Matthew 5: "31 "It was also said, 'Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.' 32 But I say to you that every one who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity, makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery."
    
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| I am sure there is plenty of text in the Bible to which literal interpretation as the word of God seems a bit off |
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The story of Samuel and the bears?
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I see this is degrading down to everyone against poor renegade. He just does not understand the point of the topic and we should just drop it.
 
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Just a quick comment;
I allways thought the most important message in from Christianity was "to love your neighbor as yourself". I have learned from Alex, that in bible terms this isn't the case.
Anyways all the issues brought up in this thread, should show clearly that before one starts condeming others one should try to understand them.
In "my world" there very few little black or white, mostly scales of gray.
An example: The palestina kid (less than 20 years old) has been tought all his life that the Israelis are the bad guys and his family has been forced to move because of the Israelis. One day he plaster himself up with explosives and sacrifices for "the course".
On the other side is the jewish kid brought up in Israel, he has been told all his life that the Jews will always be hunted and hated (and history tells him that it is right). He will not hesitate to shoot down the palestinan kid.
Both of these kids are wrong, but can it be solved by military action or be finding a "winner". In my opinion NO. It is a question of educating people to try and understand each other.
War doesn't solve problems, it creates problems. Those who are veterans will probably be able tell stories the rest would have a hard time believing. All because our governments believe war is the asnwer.
Disclaimer: I do believe war can be necessary, but it should be the very last of the possible options.
  
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| I do believe war can be necessary, but it should be the very last of the possible options. |
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Agreed with you 100%. 
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| I allways thought the most important message in from Christianity was "to love your neighbor as yourself". I have learned from Alex, that in bible terms this isn't the case |
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Second most important message, though.
Alex
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| I allways thought the most important message in from Christianity was "to love your neighbor as yourself". I have learned from Alex, that in bible terms this isn't the case |
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The first is Love Thy God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength.
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Thats what Alex told me, i guess i always focused on "love thy neighbor as yourself" because that is the one i liked the most.
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| i always focused on "love thy neighbor as yourself" |
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It's also the one that can be applied by anyone... regardless of faith or lack thereof.
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I know I posted this in the Senate Halls under some discussion, but I thought some of you might like to hear another side of things. How the Agnostic  Link looks at the world. This closely resembles my view on Life, the Universe, and Everything.
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Interesting, but inaccurate in places.
Alex
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by Citizen Kazzryl - 4/8/2004 5:22:19 PM
| I know I posted this in the Senate Halls under some discussion, but I thought some of you might like to hear another side of things. How the Agnostic Link looks at the world. This closely resembles my view on Life, the Universe, and Everything. |
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Great article! Pretty close to how I feel as well. Although, I tend to believe, even without hard evidence, that there is something after death....at least I hope so.
I also believe Jesus was a great teacher, and I like to think He was sent by God. But was He the son of God, was his birth from immaculate (sp?) conception, not so sure. But what I get from his teachings is that we need to love one another and ourselves, and we are not the ones to judge.
And I also respect Mr. Pirate's beliefs, and feel he did good job representing his beliefs, regardless if I agree with them or not. 
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Seconded - and he did it without rancor. Well done, Renegade.
Alex
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| And I also respect Mr. Pirate's beliefs |
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I too, respect other people's beliefs. I am not going to try and change anyone's mind. Everyone needs to make their own decisions and conclusions.
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| with the exception of Revelations |
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I don't know - I find that Revelations is one of the most beautiful pieces of prose in the NT.
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Oh no, I think the Bible is a great piece of work. I recommend it. I don't take it as absolute Truth though. Blind faith can be a dangerous thing.
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My words exactly
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Try Link
Alex
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I've studied many different religions, and found many good things about them all, but also, found many things I did not like. Therefore, my current view.
{snip} Don't need to go there.
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My last quote from The Word of God
Mat 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Kazz this is a link to a study on the book of Revelations that I think will help you to see this book up close
Link
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