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Do you still think GalCiv 1 is fun even with GalCiv II out?
758 votes
1- Yes
2- No


The First Clone War
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#75  by Citizen Arcilte - 2/18/2004 6:33:05 PM

Hermes, from Planet Express, you need.


Futurama... MY ALL TIME FAVORITE SHOW!!!

                      
#76  by Citizen Jaws the Wayfarer - 2/18/2004 8:14:31 PM

Just noticed in the RB thread that they feel 60K games should be banned in the Clone War as they are so easy to get with AP.

Perhaps we should create a self-flagellation level just for them.



                          
#77  by Citizen Arcilte - 2/18/2004 8:21:59 PM

Perhaps we should create a self-flagellation level just for them.


I thought the rules were already made up? Let them sit it out then.

                      
#78  by Veteran Icho Tolot - 2/18/2004 8:22:08 PM


Too much work banning them

                          
#79  by Citizen Arcilte - 2/18/2004 8:35:16 PM

Too much work banning them


Wasn't talking about banning anyone. All I'm saying is that the there is different levels of play in the tournament. No Empire is FORCED to participate.

                      
#80  by Veteran Captain Jack Sparrow - 2/18/2004 8:35:32 PM

Well if the 60k games become a problem, we can ban em next time. I too think they are too easy to get in the ap game. Large is generating it.

My biggest problem with it is it ends up a race to the terror stars and becomes redundant and boring.

                          
#81  by Veteran Captain Jack Sparrow - 2/18/2004 8:36:34 PM

Of course RB hasn't lived unless they have added at least one rule to every game they play.

                          
#82  by Veteran Grand_Admiral_Thrawn - 2/18/2004 8:41:54 PM

I had thought that the rules were set down already, and that we were not going to change them.
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#83  by Veteran Icho Tolot - 2/18/2004 8:43:37 PM

I was refering to maso games not to RB

                          
#84  by Citizen Arcilte - 2/18/2004 8:46:52 PM

I was refering to maso games not to RB


Sorry for the misunderstanding Icho.

                      
#85  by Veteran Grand_Admiral_Thrawn - 2/18/2004 8:48:56 PM

Sorry, I changed my message because it was not what I meant to say, it was too inflammatory. But those were the first rules: no rules besides 3 alliance limit and no saving games.

                      
#86  by Veteran Icho Tolot - 2/18/2004 8:49:11 PM

De nada

                          
#87  by Citizen Arcilte - 2/18/2004 8:50:54 PM

De nada


???

                      
#88  by Veteran Icho Tolot - 2/18/2004 9:04:00 PM

spanish!

is like don't matter

                          
#89  by Citizen Arcilte - 2/18/2004 9:09:38 PM

spanish!is like don't matter


hehehe... ok. I took three years of French.

                      
#90  by Citizen Exar Kuun - 2/18/2004 9:11:41 PM

I had thought that the rules were set down already, and that we were not going to change them


ABT is right here - the rules stick until run #2 when Wombie and I will try to vary thingsa bit more, we just want to get this off the ground and steadily improve it

                      
#91  by Veteran Icho Tolot - 2/18/2004 9:12:06 PM

ok. I took three years of French


Thats most of 1/4 year of spanish left, except of:
una cervesa, por vavor
of cause

                          
#92  by Citizen Exar Kuun - 2/18/2004 9:17:02 PM

BR>Perhaps we should create a self-flagellation level just for them.

Nice one Jaws

What do we call it Martyr level?

                      
#93  by Citizen Arcilte - 2/18/2004 9:20:44 PM

What do we call it Martyr level?




                      
#94  by Citizen Zed F - 2/18/2004 10:48:13 PM

It wouldn't be self-flagellation, it would be variant scum, thank you very much!

Seriously, I'm not sure whether that self-flagellation comment was intended to be a snipe, but it came across that way. Do you really intend to post snide remarks every time an RB member expresses an opinion on the game? Regardless of whatever complaints you have against Sirian, surely you're not actively trying to drive a wedge between RB players in general and the rest of the community?

If it's no challenge to win 60k games all the time by following a formulaic recipe, why not impose restrictions on your game to make it more interesting? Pumping out points is simply a matter of dedication and available time, as I'm sure you know, and without challenge, we find that gets old fast.

becomes redundant and boring


When we introduce new rules to the game, this is exactly what we're trying to address. We add rules to make the game as non-formulaic as possible, so that it doesn't become boring: we value gameplay with real tradeoffs, not a single best path to success.

We haven't been invited to add rules here, and so we have not. Jaxom's observation was merely that - an observation. There's no call to mock our value set on that basis.


                  
#95  by Citizen Jaws the Wayfarer - 2/18/2004 11:09:16 PM

It's interesting that RB are allowed to express opinions but if other people do then are called snide remarks.

I presume that where Sirian referred to Stardock as taking the top players games and using them for the AI, but presumed that Stardock didn't want to use them because the data was "tainted" that is a valid opinion?

Where I referred to self-flagellation as the way RB deliberately restricts themselves and imposes their own rulesto make the gameplay harder is that not also a valid opinion?



                          
#96  by Citizen Zed F - 2/18/2004 11:48:17 PM

Just noticed in the RB thread that they feel 60K games should be banned in the Clone War as they are so easy to get with AP.Perhaps we should create a self-flagellation level just for them.


There is your post in its entirety. No opinions voiced, as you obviously have no intention of creating a "self-flagellation level" for the Clone Wars, merely something that read as a cheap shot. I see I was not off the mark. I don't recall ever having been in a conversation with you before, so you seem to be reacting to the mere fact that I'm a member of RB. If someone from another empire were to call you out for posting cheap shots, would you react the same way?

I presume that where Sirian referred to Stardock as taking the top players games and using them for the AI, but presumed that Stardock didn't want to use them because the data was "tainted" that is a valid opinion?


Is this really about Sirian, then? If so, why are you directing snide remarks at RB and RB philosophy in general?

Perhaps it would be unsuitable for the AI to play to a formula the way the most point-prolific players do? Beyond that, I'm not going to presume to speak for Sirian as to what he meant by saying he guessed Stardock wouldn't use the data from top rated players' games because the data was tainted.

Where I referred to self-flagellation as the way RB deliberately restricts themselves and imposes their own rulesto make the gameplay harder is that not also a valid opinion?

To state that you don't think adding additional restrictions is needed to have fun playing the same game for months on end would be to voice your opinion. Doing so by belittling someone else's opinion is uncalled-for.

EDIT: I can already see that I'm not going to convince you of anything, so I'm not continuing with this line of conversation any further. Good luck with the Clone Wars!
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#97  by Citizen Arcilte - 2/18/2004 11:50:30 PM

Do you really intend to post snide remarks every time an RB member expresses an opinion on the game?


It's interesting that RB are allowed to express opinions but if other people do then are called snide remarks.




                      
#98  by Citizen Jaws the Wayfarer - 2/19/2004 12:11:16 AM

Good luck with the Clone Wars!


Thanks Zed F, although those Cheese Monkeys from the Galactic Guardians are going to be hard to beat

                          
#99  by Citizen Arcilte - 2/19/2004 12:28:51 AM

those Cheese Monkeys from the Galactic Guardians are going to be hard to beat


Hey... we don't need to start trash talking till March.

                      
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