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Do you still think GalCiv 1 is fun even with GalCiv II out?
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1- Yes
2- No


Inu-Yasha Hanyou Domain
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#25  by Citizen littlewotts_ - 4/3/2004 11:57:54 AM

Kagome or Sango doing the crushing.




                          
#26  by Veteran Icho Tolot - 4/3/2004 12:01:04 PM



                          
#27  by Citizen Arcilte - 4/3/2004 1:45:08 PM

There's a whole system for getting them on mirc or jirc, but I haven't figured that all out yet


I have episodes #1 - #138... just only watched the first 60. Try Kazaa or Shareaza. Thats where I got them.

                      
#28  by Citizen Grathocke - 4/3/2004 3:31:19 PM

Try Kazaa or Shareaza


Are these websites? I usually get mine on ebay.

                      
#29  by Citizen Lothmorg the Black - 4/3/2004 10:32:45 PM

You can get them legally on eBay. Kaaza and it's ilk are file sharing services where you can get pirated music or videos for free. I only use Bearshare when I can't find what I need legally, or want digital versions of the songs I own on records or cassettes (although that use may be marginally legal).

          
#30  by Citizen Grathocke - 4/3/2004 11:28:42 PM

Kaaza and it's ilk are file sharing services where you can get pirated music or videos for free.


Thanks. I might look into it. But if you gotta register, then the feds will know what you're downloading and that ain't good!

                      
#31  by Citizen Arcilte - 4/4/2004 1:11:01 AM

Thanks. I might look into it. But if you gotta register, then the feds will know what you're downloading and that ain't good!


Yeah... I've been downloading stuff for years and techniquely fansubs are legal. Go with Shareaza. Works the best and you don't regester anything.

                      
#32  by Citizen Grathocke - 4/4/2004 1:23:25 PM

I've been downloading stuff for years and techniquely fansubs are legal. Go with Shareaza. Works the best and you don't regester anything.


I guess that they're legal because of the subtitles? Anyway, I'll take a look at Shareaza. Thanks.

And here is another shameless ad for anyone who is need of a potentially awesome empire and doesn't want to join one of the mega-empires to join up today.

                      
#33  by Citizen Matthew Downie - 4/4/2004 1:37:06 PM

I thought modern pirates all used BitTorrent.
I watched Inuyasha when I had the cartoon network, on between Trigun and Cowboy Bebop.
I can still hum that closing music... Doo da dee da daa...



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#34  by Citizen Grathocke - 4/4/2004 3:59:54 PM

I thought modern pirates all used BitTorrent.I watched Inuyasha when I had the cartoon network, on between Trigun and Cowboy Bebop.


That's the part I can't figure out is the bit torrent stuff. I only heard of it recently, don't know what it is or how to use it. Color me stupid!

IY is now on after Witch Hunter Robin, another good but all too short series, and is followed by Big O, another one I really like. Cowboy Bebop is the last one on. Actually, if I could be a really cool person (which would be stretching one's imagination to the limits), I would probably be Spike.
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#35  by Citizen Matthew Downie - 4/5/2004 5:44:30 AM

Thye concept behind BitTorrent is that while you're downloading a file, you're simultaneously uploading it to the other people who are downloading it. That way, you can put a single 'torrent' file on the internet and have lots of people downloading it at once without any slowdown (as long as they've all downloaded the BitTorrent client). There's nothing inherently illegal about this idea - I think all large internet downloads should be done this way. But in practice, it's mainly used for downloading pirated software, TV shows, movies, anime, etc.



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#36  by Citizen Grathocke - 4/5/2004 12:42:28 PM

Thye concept behind BitTorrent is that while you're downloading a file, you're simultaneously uploading it to the other people who are downloading it


Thanks, I guess I will try to find that, too. There are a lot of eps I haven't got, and it gets pretty expensive trying to buy them all. Plus, I have noticed that subs from Asia aren't of very good quality, both in terms of the video and the translations.

                      
#37  by Veteran Gerakken - 4/5/2004 1:58:07 PM

I guess that they're legal because of the subtitles? Anyway, I'll take a look at Shareaza. Thanks.


Ah, this is one area I know about. Revelation time: I was once in Odyssey, a well known fansub group from roughly 1999 to 2002. You can still find plenty of Odyssey tapes floating around on the net, so the group may be gone, but not forgotten completely. Anyway, technically all fansubs are illegal under international law, but in the old days the Japanese companies were not willing to prosecute fansubbers who were in foreign countries. It was too costly and produced little return. It was the American companies who were more likely to be hurt when they bought the rights to a show.

The irony is that these American anime companies were relying on the fansubber to build a demand for a show so they could buy the rights from the Japanese and produce a viable North American product later. So kind of an informal deal was struck with the fansubbers of old. If an American company started releasing a product, the fansubs of it would stop. At least that is what the honorable fansubbers did. Odyssey was one of the few groups that went further and stopped projects the minute it was bought by an American company. It cost us several projects, but we got respect both from the companies and fans because of it.

Now what the distros (the distributors of fansub tapes) did was something entirely different. They were a whole other ball game. Back then, the subbers produced just a few tapes at a time and the emphasis was on hitting the distributors who made hundreds or thousands of copies of those tapes and not on the subbers themselves. Even if the subber stopped, there were more than enough distros willing to make more tapes. Now the digisubber can flood the net literally overnight with on demand product. Nowadays and are a bigger threat. They can put video directly on the net and that really worries the companies. I should point out that it was not only distros that were out madly making tapes. Some fansubbers themselves were more than willing to break the "rules" and run for profitable bootlegging. But it was not the Wild West. There was some honor in the business, even if it was based upon illegality.

A lot has changed in the fansub world since I was editing tapes: the technology, the speed of getting raw shows and subbing them, the ettiquete of fansubs, everything has changed it seemed. Well, enough remeniscing on the old days. I can only tell you how it used to work, not how it works now.

                      
#38  by Citizen Arcilte - 4/5/2004 2:08:00 PM

I can only tell you how it used to work, not how it works now.


That was a cool story Gerakken. Did you do the actual translating?

                      
#39  by Veteran Gerakken - 4/5/2004 2:44:55 PM

Did you do the actual translating?


Ah, another story time. No. Odyssey employed several translators and all were native Japanese. We just had the luxury of talking them into a side job of translating for us while they were studying in America here in Pullman, Washington at WSU. Some were better at English than others, so we had a lead translator who knew English very well to help us with the more difficult concepts the less fluent translators could not get across.

The biggest battle always was literal translation vs. a sometimes looser translation that explained Japanese cultural concepts unfamiliar to an American audience. As editor, I had that battle to fight. When we ran into a sloppy part of the script that did not sound right, we would have our lead man come over after he talked to the translator and explain the concept to us. Then I tried to explain it in a brief way in the time and space constraints of the scene. Of course, some the more literal students learning Japanese may have not liked anything less than true literalism, but we valued understanding more than being totally proper.

                      
#40  by Citizen Arcilte - 4/5/2004 5:14:31 PM

Of course, some the more literal students learning Japanese may have not liked anything less than true literalism, but we valued understanding more than being totally proper.


Indeed. I've seen a few fansubs (well probley 1000 or so ) and I've read some weird things before. All in all, most fansubs that I've seen have been translated well. (I guess ) Most of the anime I watch are fansubs. I used to buy them but @ $25-$30 a disc that only contained 3 episodes... and that got expensive. I am currently watching Kenshin (at episode #67 now) and they are the professionaly done and are the US DVD release. I borrowed them from my girlfriend's brother. Couldn't imagine spending $30 a disc for a series that goes into the 100's with episodes (like Inu Yasha). Luckily he already did and I can mooch.

                      
#41  by Citizen littlewotts_ - 4/5/2004 5:17:02 PM

I can mooch.


I'm the dummy in my group of friends that buys them all.

                          
#42  by Citizen Grathocke - 4/5/2004 5:51:33 PM

Ah, this is one area I know about. Revelation time:


That's a pretty incredible story! I never knew it was all so complicated. I just thought somebody who could translate it did and then put in on the net.

As an aside, I bet if we knew everyone's backgrounds here in the Forums, we'd be blown away by all the skills we can bring to the table.

                      
#43  by Citizen Grathocke - 4/5/2004 5:55:35 PM

I'm the dummy in my group of friends that buys them all.


Well, I got the BitTorrent working, and there are also some instructions I found for get the eps from mIRC. If the IRC transfer isn't any faster, I will probably be buying discs faster than I would like to. I would think that something with a name like BitTORRENT would be fast. I have downloaded complete episodes from the newsgroup in a matter of 10 or 20 minutes. I have been downloading this ep all afternoon!

                      
#44  by Citizen Grathocke - 4/7/2004 6:08:22 AM

Hey, everyone.

If you are interested, eps 143 and 144 are available now on alt.binaries.multimedia.anime

There are always lots of other great animes there as well, something for everyone.

                      
#45  by Citizen Arcilte - 4/7/2004 6:57:48 AM

If you are interested, eps 143 and 144 are available now on alt.binaries.multimedia.anime


Thanks Grathocke.

                      
#46  by Citizen Grathocke - 4/7/2004 11:31:56 AM

I found the strangest thing today... an X-rated manga of Inuyasha and Kagome! I didn't even know such a thing existed. Oh! My virgin eyes!

                      
#47  by Citizen littlewotts_ - 4/7/2004 12:08:40 PM

an X-rated manga of Inuyasha and Kagome!




                          
#48  by Citizen Grathocke - 4/7/2004 12:25:13 PM

Yeah, and I DO mean X! As in XXX.
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#49  by Veteran Gerakken - 4/7/2004 12:42:59 PM

an X-rated manga of Inuyasha and Kagome! I didn't even know such a thing existed


Heh. From what the Japanese students told me, the big city book stores over there have an undue number of middle-aged family men browsing through that type of manga. Not exactly the high school/college crowd the American public likes to pin all things anime on.

Of course, look who is talking! I was an older man helping to make anime tapes. As for the whole hentai/echi (sp?) thing (the R and X rated stuff), Odyssey never ever considered doing those kind of projects. We had a PG rating to protect. But there were more than enough partial nude scenes and panty shots (the usual fan service stuff) even in the tamer tapes we produced because it is ever-present in anime in general. (Not unless you want to stick to the pre-school stuff and the SD formats, of course.)

                      
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