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Already the empires that decided to revive old threads are pushing other posts down the page.
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I do not think I will, I hope the other CSF members do not either.
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| 3) WHY IGNORE THE RESULTS OF THE POLL !! The users that voted said leave it alone |
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A debate like this is a vital part of the democratic process. Since the polling isn't closed yet, it's open for discussion.
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If empire posts on the main forum are genuinely annoying to 75% of the readers, then it's not unreasonable to restrict them to a special forum. I'm in favour of free speech as a principle, but if we're going to ban conventional spam, restricting other types of irritating messages isn't a big step.
So, what happens if the majority votes against 'empire spam' but Stardock does nothing to officially enforce it, and a band of rebels decides to disobey? Or someone breaks the rule because they don't know about it because it wasn't announced properly?
Someone will post an empire message. Others will gang up and complain at them - also a form free speech, don't forget. No actual censorship will occur, but people will get annoyed, feelings will get hurt. Unfortunately, this is an inevitable part of internet life. And if there isn't a rule against 'empire spam', then a minority of rebels would still complain about it intermittently and get shouted down in the same way.
Myself, I'd like to be able to do occasional empire posts. There are a number of members of the Fellowship who never post on the Empire threads and probably never read them. I'm not sure how to ask them why this is without breaking the rules.
Also, I don't think there's any sufficiently obvious FAQ type section explaining empires and pointing people to the empire forums. Magnumaniac's suggestion isn't bad... I read the forums over the Stardock tool, so I get a different view anyway.
  
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| Myself, I'd like to be able to do occasional empire posts. There are a number of members of the Fellowship who never post on the Empire threads and probably never read them. I'm not sure how to ask them why this is without breaking the rules. |
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Maybe Carielf just came up with the answer to your question Matthew - check the original thread in the main forum that sparked off this debate yesterday for her thoughts. 
   
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Oh, yeah. Thanks Terl. Should've done that myself really. DOH!
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Gerakken are you sure you don't want to run for President???? Man you are great with words. 
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| Myself, I'd like to be able to do occasional empire posts. There are a number of members of the Fellowship who never post on the Empire threads and probably never read them. I'm not sure how to ask them why this is without breaking the rules. |
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I think that this was permissable even before the new ruling. Theoden posted a thread asking for our wayward members to "phone home".
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Not sure how this is the case ?
A number of sticky threads on top of the Forum followed by empire threads helps the minority ?
Here is the issue for some reason I get the game.
I am not sure how to play so I want to ask a NOB question.
What do I do I see a thread with a thousand posts do I post my question in this thread? Of course not.
How does having Empire threads in the main forum help anybody ?
When somebody posts a question if I have answer I help, I am sure most people do. Not being able to find the questions hurts new users.
Do you think there are no minority rights in other countries? In Canadian we do not try to assimilate immigrants like Americans do. What do minority rights have to do with a new user asking question ?
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I voted against reintegration. I want the Galactic Forum to be mostly reserved for strictly bug reports, newbie questions, etc. I am not against purely OT posts but I think they have their place. Remember the first priority of the GF should be THE GAME not the empires. Empires are an aspect of the gaming experience that is purely optional. I have read posts on outside forums that suggest that a significant number of people are turned off by the all of the empire spam and recruiting. Remember we want as many people as possible to enjoy Galactic Civilizations because more sales mean more money for Stardock to improve this game and make more great games.
 
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I think the Website itself is hard to adjust to when you come here for your first visit. Its design is alot diffirent then the majority of gaming forums I've been to. Although this website is visually impressive there a few key areas where it needs improvement, and I think some of those areas would eliminate some of the problems we face here. Like Gerakken, I agree the search feature needs work. I also think the forum design needs to be made in a way for better organization and a visual design that allows people to not get so confused where they are in the mess of the forums. For a while when I first came here I didn't even see the Empire Section, and wondered if there was one. I eventually seen the empire tab down the left side of the screen, and ohhhh...... thats where it is.
To break things down we have the people who want to intergrate the empire back into the GF because lets face it, the metarverse and the majority of empires are in decline and even with AP, it will continue that way if nothing is done. We have the people who are agianst it because they feel the GF should be left for Game Issues only and not be bombarbed with empire talk.
My opinion is the majority of the players that frequent the forums on a regular basis are empire members. Most new people couldn't be botherd trying to find and look around for empire info where it is now. Most new people probably can't find the empire threads.
I think most of the empire people who want the empire talk back in the GF, want it there but in a way that can work in with the GF, without being the way it used to be.(Spamafied). Surely we can come up with a solution that will benifit both sides. The empires can have an empire thread in the GF but maybe have to abide by a few key rules or something. Surely we can all learn to share the GF whether it be for empire talk or game talk. Instead of arguing lets try and come up with a solution that can work for both sides, not, well we dont want this and that and thats that.As you can tell I want the empire thread moved over to the GF but in a way that can help everyone out, not a majority or a minority.
Lets come up with a solution that will allow all of us to participate and share the GF whether it be for empire or game talk.
 
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by Citizen Bill Ko - 4/10/2004 10:46:29 AM
| To break things down we have the people who want to intergrate the empire back into the GF because lets face it, the metarverse and the majority of empires are in decline and even with AP, it will continue that way if nothing is done. We have the people who are agianst it because they feel the GF should be left for Game Issues only and not be bombarbed with empire talk. |
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I feel that the reason for thedecline in empire activity is just due to the natural way of things. How many of us have played with our favorite Christmas toys until we were bored out of our skulls with them? I also think that periodically there will be resurgences as people remember how fun it was to be involved in an empire and start playing again. I know that's what I do with most of my computer games - they sit on the shelf for a while because I overplayed them; they eventually get rotated back in.
| My opinion is the majority of the players that frequent the forums on a regular basis are empire members. Most new people couldn't be botherd trying to find and look around for empire info where it is now. Most new people probably can't find the empire threads. |
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I don't know about that. I think there are many, many lurkers here that merely visit the boards to see when the next patchwas released, or if a problem that they were having was resolved. Most people with problems only post once about them, and maybe follow up if it has been fixed. You'll notice that every time a new patch comes out, there is a flurry of activity in the bug threads. The reason why the posts have been rather sparse is because Stardock hasn't updated GC in a while.
I understand that most, or even all of the people who visit the empire forum also visit the general forum to check for bug resolutions, but - and this is strictly my opinion here - there are less people involved in empires than people who aren't, so my conclusion is that there are more people visiting the forums that aren't involved in empires than are.
But if you were talking about people visiting the EMPIRE forum, the points I made above have no relavence and I have to agree with you wholeheartedly.
I voted to have the empire discussions be (self-limited) to the empire forums not because I object to them having high visibility, but because the sheer number of threads (I count 15) are always being updated and tend to push other important things (notice, I said OTHER important things, because I truly recognize that empire threads are an important part of this community - I was one of the first, if not THE first, to recommend a sig for recruitment, rather than a ban) off the first page.
I think the solution is we must find a way to make the empire forum highly visible somehow, yet not inrefere with the other functions of the forums. This part of the community is just as important as any other part, and I don't want to see it get short-changed.
Bill
   
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